Who should arrive? Who should leave?

Just a few questions to start things off:

-Do you sell Fernandes? He's starting to play better for Everton, he's actually starting now, so his value is actually going up, not down. Still, if he is sold I'm not sure if Valencia recoups the 18 million that Ruiz paid for him.

-What about taking a chance on Mauro Zarate? He went from Velez Sarsfield in argentina to that hotbed of football activity...Al Sadd! Seriously, he went for the money. He's currently on loan at Birmingham and has scored 4 goals in 10 appearances, which is decent. He would never challenge for the Pichichi, but I think he would be a decent forward to have. Guaranteed to score more goals than Arizmendi. Might come cheap, though I don't think Valencia has ever had the opportunity to negotiate with a team based in Qatar before.

Does Valencia need van der Vaart? Silva can play in his position, and I think in a way so can Mata. He is more of a goal scoring threat though. One of the things that wore van der Vaart down at Ajax is that he was converted into a forward by Koeman, a position he did not like. But this positional change was necessary because Ajax foolishly sold Ibrahimovic for a bag of peanuts and Ajax were short on forwards. He currently plays as the middle of the '3' in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

It's a bit too soon to start talking about this... Mi mind is filled with the scary possibility of relegation... And now I would fire all of them.

I just pasted the above from another thread.

I agree, that not having a sports director is a mistake. In a sense, Valencia will allow agents to dictate who comes to Valencia because Valencia won't be looking for people, people will be looking for Valencia, or at least that's what it seems like. It's a shame, really, if this structure was in place last year there would be no way Valencia would have Mata, no way we would have Sunny, and no way we would have Timo. I think for the most part Carboni found them and not the other way around.

Man, if this structure was in place last year not only would we have Helguera, but we would have Pernia, Aitor Ocio, and Casquero, players that Quique wanted. Honestly, when times are tough, and they are difficult right now for Valencia, the last thing you should be frugal with is your infrastructure, that is don't try and save money by hiring a mediocre coach and don't, really do not, try and save money by having a half-assed sport director. Look what Ramos and Monchi did to turn around Sevilla. During the time when the two of them were together, Sevilla had arguably some of the most successful years in their history. Sure, they never won a league title, but two UEFA Cups plus a Copa Del Rey is nothing to spit at. I think Valencia is making a big mistake if they think continuing down the Sanchez-Salom-Coach path is the right one for making this team better in the transfer market. If Sanchez develops a great understanding of the talent available in the world and has a good network/working relationship with many agents, then it may work out, but that too depends on Salom. Why does Valencia have to make things more difficult for itself?

But the main reason I decided to bump this thread is that allegedly Valencia wishes to sell Joaquin, Villa, and Silva in order to generate some cash. Of course some reinforcements would arrive, who exactly I have no idea, but the idea of selling all three would be crazy. I half expected Villa and Joaquin to be sold this summer, Villa because he speaks so fondly of England and Joaquin because he has not performed up to the standard of how much he cost, but please, not Silva. Silva is such a good young player who will only get better. I figure that the sale of Fernandes will generate around 13-15 million euros, the sale of Zigic about the same. Albelda should be worth at least a few million euros. Isn't this enough? It is sadly ironic that a year ago Soler said that Valencia is not a selling club. He also said that Quique is a great coach. It's a shame the man has more bullshit than common sense.

Man, Soler has really screwed up this beloved franchise.

Yeah Soler needs to go, he doubled our debt during his reign and now his stadium is more important than the team. Now he wants to sell his parts in the club, I wish Carboni would bring here those investors.
A thing I don't understand is why we don't try to make money from the lot of players we don't need, We can easily sell 12 or more players who aren't part of the first team, and generate as much money as from the selling of those 3. Plus if we want to sell our stars to generate money then we have to replace them with the cheapest players we can. But instead of doing this they decided that they sell Gavilan, and not bring back Sisi, what's the logic behind this? They could have replaced Joaquin and Silva.
And why buy another starter goalkeeper when we got Timo for free? Kameni won't come here to be benched.

I read a new rumour:
Madrid offers 30m+ Granero or De La Red for Villa.

I don't blame Villa if he wants to go away, he did his best for us, but can't reach here his dreams. Granero is a great player, but we have Banega, Sunny, Fernandes, Edu, Baraja...

I'd agree selling Villa for huge amount of money and getting the high-class Center Back and Left Winger for that money. and counting on Zigic in attack.

Villa will go to Madrid .And today they say that we will receive 35 millions withou Granero nor De la Red.I think that we have to negotiate and get someone of these two youngsters.

On the other hand i think that we have to use Manuel Fernandes next season cause he is getting better and better in Everton .He is a talanted youngster and i am sure he can succeed in Valencia.

We are stupid if we let him go for only 35m. We should have to wait for the Euro2008, if Villa bangs a few goals, then his price goes up. I'd say 35m+Granero+Soldado/Saviola if we have to sell him anyway, I would like him to say but it's looks unlikely.

Bullshit I think... Just bullshit

Eh, I put this in the non-English section ,but allegedly Ismail Aissati of PSV doesn't wish to sign a contract extension and is looking to move. Could be a ploy to get more money out of PSV, but the fact that he hasn't played much doesn't place him in the best bargaining position. If Valencia does sell Silva, I wouldn't mind if they tried to sign Aissati as a replacement. Aissati is a good player who isn't afraid of giving a good two-footed tackle every now and then, can play everywhere in midfield, but the only problem is that he doesn't score so much. That could be due to the system PSV played. if you go to youtube there is a video of him scoring a golazo against Real Madrid during a CL match.

The thing is, with the UEFA Cup competition next year plus fighting for a Champions League spot, Valencia needs bodies, that is capable bodies. Trying to go the pseudo-galactico route just won't work - one of Valencia's downfalls this season is that the bench, well, sucked. More foot soldiers needed, less ego-maniacal poseurs. Aissati though may fall somewhere in between. Still, I'd sign the kid, if he could be had for Arizmendi -or-less money.

from: http://www.sportinglife.com/football/ov ... ssati.html

In my opinion:
red = out, greeen = continue, blue = loan

- Hildebrand - Good player. Should stay here.
- Cañizares - Kick in the ass
- Butelle - Out

- Miguel - Is not doing his best. Maybe another coach could get more from him. Continue but for 8€ millions or more I would sold him.
- Caneira - He is not a crack but can play in different positions and he is a team player. Continue.
- Albiol
- Alexis
- Helguera - Kick in the ass
- Marchena - One of our best players.
- Moretti
- Del Horno - But It's going to be difficult to take him out.
- Curro Torres - still here????
- David Navarro

- Joaquín - but out for 18€ millions or more (impossible in my opinion).
- Angulo - Kick in the ass
- Baraja - just for play 2nd parts
- Maduro
- Banega
- Albelda - BIG kick in ass
- Sunny - Loan. He's going to be a good player but he isn't ready yet for Valencia.
- Edu
- Vicente - Impressive player that can't play more than 5 matches without injury. He remembers me Robben but we are not Madrid.
- Mata
- Silva - Is going to have a lot teams chasing him, 20€ millions or more and sold.
- Sisi - Ready to play here.
- Pablo
- Gavilán - but it depends new coach/sport director. Not bad idea to keep him.
- Hugo Viana - but depends coach/sport director. Some teams in Portugal are chasing him. We can talk about money.
- Regueiro
- Manuel Fernandes - At this moment nobody is going to give us 18€ millions for him. Keep loan or move back to Valencia.
- Estoyanoff

- Arizmendi - I didn't like him but he is a hard-working player that did me change my opinion about him.
- Villa - It seems he's going to leave. I hope to get not less than 40€ millions for him.
- Zigic - I can't understand why he is not playing. Nobody in going to pay 18€ millions for him.
- Morientes - Good player but injured half of the year.

It's going to be difficult to take out some player and to keep others (Villa for example). But with just 4 - 5 new signs and a good coach (Emery seems interesting) we'll have a quite competitive team:

.............................................Hildebrand
............................................(new player)

............Miguel................Albiol...............Alexis................Moretti
........(new player)..........Navarro............Caneira............(new player)

............................Marchena..................Banega
..............................Maduro.....................Viana

...............................................Silva
...........................................Fernandes

................Joaquin.................Zigic................Mata
..................Sisi.....................Villa.............Arizmendi

Just an idea. Not sure yet who is going to stay and leave. We can talk long about this. It seem Emery likes 4-3-3.

I agree with almost your entire list Zakk, but I think Pablo is coming back. Butelle hasn't played very well at Valladolid, so I think he is off to return to France. I wouldn't mind if Viana returned as well, mainly because I think he wasn't given an opportunity to play at all by Quique. Of course, I don't know how he played at Osasuna, but he was injured for a few months. But if a decent offer came around that would benefit Viana and give him plenty of playing time, I'd sell him. I'd sell Miguel too, if Valencia can get over 10 million euro. Vicente is becoming a luxury item, like Robben as you said. Shame his legs are made of crystal.

Yeah, the Fernandes situation is tricky. No way Everton pays anything near 18 million for him - I think they would be willing to pay half of that price. He's a good player that Valencia, in an act of desperation, overpaid to get. Not sure if Everton would want to extend the loan deal or if he gets loaned out somewhere else. The thing is that in a 4-3-3 there is space for him, so that depends on the coach. As for Zigic, I think there is a market for freakishly tall strikers with some skill, so even if he is sold I think Valencia wouldn't lose too much money. To be honest I wouldn't mind if Emery were to experiment with the Argentina flavoured 3-3-3-1 formation, which with current and loaned players might look like:



Yeah, it will be an interesting summer, especially if two or more big name players such as Villa and Joaquin are moved strictly for the money to make luxury boxes and presidential toilets at the new Mestalla.

As for players coming in, Valencia needs at least one more forward I think. I'm not sure what the value of Palacio is at Boca Juniors? He doesn't score very much, but then again Argentina isn't a high scoring league. Does Valencia take a chance on someone like Arsenal's Nicklas Bendtner? He may be out of favour at Arsenal - a bit of a headcase allegedly. He's Danish and has promise.

I forgot to mention some loan players in the last post. In my opinion some of them like Pablo, Gavilan or Sisi could play in first team. It could be a way to get good players for free but it seems Valencia is not going to count on them.
Regarding to Viana, I found a thread about him in the Osasuna forums:

http://www.forumosasuna.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=77&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=50

Osasuna supporters seem satisfied with him and most of them agree he couldn't show all his potential due to the time injured and the coach Ziganda didn't count too much on him. I still think we should keep him. He need minutes in the pitch.

Zigic is the kind of striker that can be very useful in some matches with the other team playing closed in his area. I would like to keep him. I don't hope offers for him over 10€ millions and Even getting 12€ millions we lose money.

I usually prefer the more classic 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 but an experiment with 3-3-3-1 would be more than interesting. But just an experiment. The Koeman attempt to use the 4-3-3 brought back a lot of criticism. I can't imagine to loose a match using 3-3-3-1 formation.

Palacio, I'm sure he will be expensive and as usual as we talk about Argentina players they'll sell him as the new Maradona. I didn't know Nicklas Bendtner but he seems a young Zigic. Big but skilfull. Sadly not the kind of striker that succeed in Mestalla.

Where do you think the team should get new players?

I wasnt able to watch many games this year. How were Banega and Maduro ?
Do you think the team can count on them for the first eleven ?
Why didn't they play much ?

Was Joaquin better this year ? Can we count on Vicente NOT to be injured ?
Do we need defensive reinforcements ?
I'd like to hear your opinions.

i added numbers to your questions Aimar-21

1. I don't think league of origin matters so much, though the non-UEFA restriction means that Valencia can't channel the brain of Pellegrini and go scouting around Chile to shore up Valencia's problems. Valencia needs, as Juan Sanchez said, 'hungry' players. The problem with Valencia this season is that many players were hungry for the wrong things. For example:

-Cañizares was hungry for a backup that is crap.
-Albelda was hungry for the ability to determine when he plays.
-Villa was hungry for a larger bank account.
-Joaquin was hungry for a formation that he can understand.
-Vicente was hungry for minutes when he was replaced by a younger and better Mata
-Miguel was not hungry enough, literally. Towards the end of the season Miguel was carrying a bit too much extra weight.

Still, with regards to leagues, I would say Spain obviously because of the language and familiarity with the league, then say Germany, Holland, Portugal possibly france, and then see if some bargains can be found in Turkey, Croatia, Serbia, and the Czech Republic.

2. Banega took a few weeks to adjust, but in February and early March he was fantastic at times. A real General in midfield. As for Maduro, I wasn't expecting much from him, but he pleasantly surprised me. I think if he plays in a formation that doesn't ask for so much midfield coverage as a 4-3-3 his occasional lapses of concentration will hopefully diminish.

3. Banega as starter? Yes, though he needs to get his off the field shit together. He needs to grow up a little and take the responsibility of being a professional a little more seriously.

Maduro as starter? This is less certain, as Marchena and Sunny to a degree can play the same role, though it would be best if Sunny were sent to getafe or somewhere similar on loan. Still, having Maduro around is at least a building block towards having good positional depth.

4. Banega was caught driving while under the influence, so Koeman gradually started to push him into exile once that happened. As for Maduro, well, he was injured for a little and also once Voro was given the keys to the bus, he invited the short bus kids, Angulo, Albelda and Cañizares, back onto the normal bus,so his playing time diminished when Albelda was given garbage minutes.

5. Tough question. I think Joaquin is the same, in that he continues to be haunted by the same two problems: lack of ability to finish and sometimes really poor decision making when it comes to finishing off a play. Seriously, if he had a decent shot he would be the Spanish CRonaldo. Until that happens, he will simply continue to be who he is, the talented and yet frustrating Joaquin.

6. Nope.

7. Hell yes. Helguera needs to be either sold or ground up and be made into cat food. Helguera was a synonym for the word terrible this year. If Alexis had been healthy Valencia would not have been as defensively poor as they were when Quique's 'chosen one' played. But aside from that, moretti needs a replacement or at least cover, he played far too many minutes. Miguel, if you can get over 11M€ for him, sell, which means you need two players for RB and you need to answer the following question too: Timo needs a backup, Who?

I would also add that Valencia needs at least one more forward since Villa looks to be gone and you need to find another forward to replace Arizmendi, who has become your new Right-sided midfielder you never intended to sign, but who you now have anyway since he is actually decent from that spot.

Thanks for your answers !

So we have:

Goalkeepers: Timo - Backup one
The backup could be a spanish keeper

Central Defenders: At least one central defender. Where do you think Marchena is better? Do you think he should play at DC or MC ? Do you think one central defender is enough?

Backs: In my opinion Moretti is not good enough. Miguel is somewhat overrated but he is a good player. I believe that at least one backup should come for the left side or maybe first team player.

Defensive midfielders: Banega could help in this. I had no idea about his "Driving under influence". Maduro could help and then there are also players like Sunny. Where does Mata play better ? I like him a lot. Do you think another DM should be bought?

Then the wings. I am not a fan of Arizmendi but with Joaquin and him the right wing is good.
Left side ? What about Silva ? Where should he play ? I like Vicente but you cannot trust him to be healthy.

Attack: I hope Villa stays but even in the case that he remains in the club another forward should be bought. The Zigic thing was a joke. Valencia spent millions this year for players that are not useful at all. What about Morientes ?

And of course it all depends on what tactics the new manager will use.
I think that this summer will be very crucial for the future of Valencia. If the decisions are made without any strategy and money spent on players not needed there will be many problems.
The team needs strengthening with good players who can really help.

I hope all the rumours about Banega are not true.The board can't be too stupid to sell him off without giving him much chance after just 6 mnths.

The rumours in here are about
- Sergio García and Zapater from Zaragoza.
- Güiza in case Villa leaves
- Van den Vaart
- Alves and a young central defender from Almería

-Garcia is ok-ish,i prefer Milito
-Zapater has gone down since the 2 yrs,not sure about him.Plus he would take up Sunny's place.
-Am i the only one whos is not too sure about Guiza too.He was ok at Getafe & one really good season at Mallorca doesn't make him world class or someone who would replace Villa.I hope hes not a flash in the pan
-No news lately of VDV anywhere.Les hope we sneak in and sign him,but will he join our circus?
-Alves would be good,not to sure he would mind being a backup to Timo.Who's the CB from Almeria?Mane would be good for LB.But i think he's already off to Villareal.[/list]

1.Where do you think the team should get new players?
Spain

2.I wasnt able to watch many games this year. How were Banega and Maduro ?
3.Do you think the team can count on them for the first eleven ?
4.Why didn't they play much ?

Banega is the shit, when he wanna play, he controls the whole midfield. That guy is AMAZING! We've been searching for years the successor of Baraja, now we got him and we would let him go? NO WAY!!!! We build a new team, on new foundations, he should have to be a starter.
For a Dm: I think if Sunny plays 6-8 matches in a row then he will be deliver good perfomance, plus we got Marchena here and Maduro. Although Maduro didn't do anything special, I would give him a chance.
I would put Marchena back to CB and bring back Fernades. He with Banega would make a monster center midfield.

So my central midfield would be:
Baraja----Maduro
Banega---Sunny
+ Fernandes who is good for both positions, and Edu leaves.

5.Was Joaquin better this year ?
No. But the blame mostly goes for Koeman on this. In the begining Joaquin was one of our best players. If won't come any good offer for him than we need to keep him. He + Pablo would be a good right wing. Arizmendi or Angulo must go, both is hard woirking but 2 of them is too much from woodenlegs.

6.Can we count on Vicente NOT to be injured ?
Unfortunately not. But who knows, there are miracles, maybe we can see the good old Vicente again. I wouldn't sell him anyway.

7.Do we need defensive reinforcements ?
Definetly. At least we need 3 men. A RB if Miguel stays, a LB if Moretti stays, and a CB.
But if Miguel or Moretti goes away than we need more defenders. I would sign Zabaleta for RB.

The rumours in here are about
- Sergio García and Zapater from Zaragoza.
No need for niether of them. Garcia is a joke, not good enough for here, we got better players for the wing, and he is not good enough to be our striker. Would be a waste of money. We don't need Zapater, altough he is a much better player, but we got Maduro, Sunny, + if we want Marchena or Fernandes for this position. We haven't got much money we need to spend it smart. Our defense should be a priority, not the well covered positions.

- Güiza in case Villa leaves
I wouldn't sell Villa. +they are different, altough Güiza is much better than Garcia, he a a Morientes type player, but we already got Morientes. Selling Villa for 30 and buy Güiza for 15? that 15m worth loosing our best player? I don't think so.
FUCKING IDIOT SOLER, VETE YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- Van den Vaart
Big rumour, forget it, we haven't got money for him.

- Alves and a young central defender from Almería
That Alves would be a good choice, for another CB we should buy an older one.