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Who would be the perfect replacement for Ayala?
Raul Garcia (Osasuna) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jorge Andrade (Deportivo) 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Fabricio Coloccini (Deportivo) 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Jarque (Espanyol) 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Gael Givet (Monaco) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Alexis Ruano(Getafe) 42%  42%  [ 6 ]
Christian Chivu (Roma) 35%  35%  [ 5 ]
Lomban, or Berna (Valencia Mestalla) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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I'm very thrilled of ever thinking about this, because he's always been one of my favs, but at the end of the season Roberto Fabian Ayala is gonna leave us and we have to deal with this. As we know Carboni and whole his staff are searching for the good replacement for him. Which of the defenders do you think would be the perfect replacement for Ayala?
I'm going to list the players, which were actual in the press. If I miss someone, moderators are welcome to add their surnames too.

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Jarque... or perhaps Alexis? :wink:


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Chivu is the dream, but Alexis could be a good player for Valencia. Very good in fact, he is fast, strong and he knows to touch the ball.

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I voted Alexis, as I think he's a bit more reasonable/easier to get than Chivu. Chivu is a great player, but prone to injuries. To be honest, if I had to choose an AS Roma defender, I'd prefer Mexes if given the choice. He was excellent for Roma last year. He has the both the defensive responsibility and touch to play as a Sweeper. When he was with Auxerre, some were saying he's a Laurent Blanc clone. Great on headers too. If I were Carboni and had the cash, I'd get Mexes.

Regardless of who they get, I do think they'll need to sign someone and not promote from within. I'm not sold on Navarro and I now prefer Marchena in a holding midfield role.

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Givet would be good replacement and he wouldn't be too expensive. Chivu would be a big signing, but I think that we haven't any chances, because CFC.
But maybe the best options are Spanish player, becasue they won't need too much time to adept on Quique style, least I think

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Givet would be good replacement and he wouldn't be too expensive. Chivu would be a big signing, but I think that we haven't any chances, because CFC.
But maybe the best options are Spanish player, becasue they won't need too much time to adept on Quique style, least I think


Are you quite sure that Quique will continue next season?

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Are you quite sure that Quique will continue next season?


:lol:

Is Quique standing on that shaky ground? I guess drawing against Nastic isn't the best way to sell your ability as a coach. Plus the whole Carboni feud doesn't help matters.

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don't you like quique?
his valencia plays the football that i love, i hope he will stay for long

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I used to like Quique. I considered him very good. I was colleague with him in the coaches school. But I changed my mind. I don't like at all how he manages the team when he doesn't have the first team players in the pitch. I don¡t like ho he treats the substitute players. I don't like what happened with useful players like Tavano and Caneira, and I don't like that a big team suffers when it has the ball.

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Valensieli, I'm somewhat undecided about Quique, but ultimately, I think that he is not the right coach for Valencia.

In some ways I think he's a decent coach, but in other ways, I don't think he's the right coach for Valencia. Basically, I'd echo what Drakul says. His substitutions are strange at times, his squad rotation is next to non-existent, which puts a terrible strain on the first team players, and I think he is somewhat tactically unflexible and predictable. Plus the whole Carboni feud calls into question his professionalism. He avoided playing Tavano because he did not approve of his transfer. How childish!

I think one of the first signals that raised an eyebrow for me is towards the end of last season he said something to the effect that he was happy Villa was scoring well, but that he thought that for the upcoming season, this one, he'd like more balanced scoring. Which is fine, but I think that shows a slight amount of arrogance in the form of 'Well we won alot because of Villa, but now I'd like to win because of my coaching ability'. Basically, it appeared that he'd want to win on his terms and not have the team based around a star player. To me, this says that he wants more credit for getting the wins. If I were a coach, I'd build/play a system in which your star players are given every chance to shine, because ultimately they and not the coach gets the win.

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To get back on topic, I'd still prefer Mexes. There are few defenders who can strip a ball, run with the ball upfield, and create a decent scoring chance.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niBcUjLhTFo[/youtube]


Only problem is that I don't know if Roma would part with him. After all, he was the reason why Roma were banned for a whole transfer season due to his illegal transfer.

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Look in the Spanish forum:

Do you think Quique is the ideal coach for Valencia?

At this moment:

Yes 10% [ 5 ]
No 85% [ 40 ]
Don't answer 4% [ 2 ]
Vots Totals : 47

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Raúl García is a midfielder not a defender so I don't know why he is on this list. Although I would like him to become a VCF player. But I don't know.

Ideally I would want Chivu to be his replacement but we all know there's no way we can get him and the idea of that is really unrealistic so I won't get my hopes up. :lol:

I voted for Jorge Andrade. I think he is one of the better defenders in la liga. He has been injured for long periods of time this season but in previous seasons he was great. And now that he is playing again he is looking good for Depor. I'm surprised no one else voted for him. He is very experienced in La liga and would be a very good player for VCF. The problem is I think Barça are very interested in him and he may end up there. :idea:

Alexis would be good but I think he'll be a Madridsta next season. You know the relationship between Getafe and Madrid. I'm pretty sure he'd end up there. It's a shame because he is a player I'd really like. Imagine him and Albiol together in 5 years time. He can also play right and left back which is a further bonus.

Coloccini I wouldn't want at all. We'd be better off with Marchena. Not keen on Givet either.

Jarque I'd like only if we had another quality central defender too. I like him but he isn't upto replacing Ayala.

I guess I trust Carboni and will hope he gets someone good. I genuinely believe he has a good eye for a transfer.

Alright so on Quiqie. Even though I don't like him the most. The thing is pretty much everytime he's had the players at our disposal he has he has done the job. I don't always like his decisions/his style but he is an effective coach. He needs to learn how to put away the weaker teams. eg Nástic etc. But he really seems to know how to go about it in big matches. So despite not being a big fan of a lot of what he does and his system I think it's be harsh to sack him considering what he's done with the injuries he's had to deal with. And I'd hate to replace him if we're going to get another indifferent manager. If we could get someone like Bernd Sauster from Getafe etc(but hey, i may have said the same thing about Quiqie judging from what he did at Getafe :P ) then i'd consider but a lot of other coaches i'd be pretty unsure. I understand what's happening with him and Carboni etc but even though he pisses me off he really needs to fuck up before we dump him.

PS we should add another option to that poll: "Anyone but David Navarro"

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PS we should add another option to that poll: "Anyone but David Navarro"


Absolutely right happy..

And following this, I also think that we have to look for a replacement for both Ayala and David Navarro. Marchena can act as central defender, yes, but I prefer him as midfielder.


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Are you quite sure that Quique will continue next season?


:roll:

I have no idea. Is there any speculation about his leaving?

And if they sacked him, who could be a replacment, if Mourinho I agree now with Quique departure :)

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And if they sacked him, who could be a replacment, if Mourinho I agree now with Quique departure :)


I know by the avatar you like Mourinho. Why?

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Because he is a legend, you can love him or you can hate him, nothing between

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Nothing in between? Okay, so I guess I hate him then. I dislike Mourinho's arrogance. The last few years he had Chelsea playing decent football, but this year, watching Chelsea is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good coach, I wouldn't have him as the first choice as possible Quique replacement.

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Media says that Marcelo Lippi is the first option is Quique is leaving.

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Nothing in between? Okay, so I guess I hate him then. I dislike Mourinho's arrogance. The last few years he had Chelsea playing decent football, but this year, watching Chelsea is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good coach, I wouldn't have him as the first choice as possible Quique replacement.


If we will talk about football, then we can take Zdenek Zeman as a coach(you can remembered him from Lecce few years ago), we will for sure play most attractive football but we will won't win anything, today only defending football is successful(there's few exepctions), from year to year you can saw that from Italians, they very often played very boring football, past years they had few clubs in quarter and semi finals of CL, because they prefer defending football, of course there always have exceptions like Barcelona, Bremen and Arsenal.

So I ask you, will you choose attractions or success, middle table or tropheys? Many presidents of clubs thinks only of this second because money.
If you ask me I choose both, but that is very difficult to find :)

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