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 Asunto: Koeman + Ruiz = Unemployed
NotaPublicado: Mar 22 Abr, 11:44 
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I'm not sure what to make of this. Yes, they should have been fired, Ruiz probably should have been fired in February or so, after the January transfer window, but why now? It's easier to fire the coach than to replace the players, so this was in a way inevitable. I think the players should shoulder some of the blame - why play so well in the Copa only to suck during league play? Sure Koeman was a bit too hard of a disciplinarian and he did alienate players like Quique, but he only wanted to bring some degree of professionalism to the club. Was it a bit too much? Looks that way. But the fact that the team can show two faces makes it seem that being a 'professional' is not foremost on most players' minds. Goddamn Pesetaros! Still, two coaches and two technical directors being shown the door in less than a calendar year clearly, clearly illustrates that Juan Soler has no business running a football club.

Anyway, best of luck to Salvador González Marco, that is Voro, for the rest of the season. Is this Juan Romero merely a stop gap for a technical secretary or is he the permanent one? I know that Voro is just a stop gap, but is this the same withe Romero?

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 Asunto: Re: Koeman + Ruiz = Unemployed
NotaPublicado: Mie 23 Abr, 11:52 
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I just read somewhere that Valencia has to pay roughly 12 million euros for the three of them to leave. 9 million or so just to Koeman alone. .confundido

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In here they said that Koeman renunced to the 60% of the contract he had signed... so he has been paid 4 milion.

A new system is coming. We won't have sports director any more... coach will ask for positions, Juan Sanchez will propose names and salom (of the manager board) will decide and negotiate.

I don't really like it because a professional sports director join the fact of the knowledge of the players, prices, market status... etc. and he will be able to follow a plan. With the new system if we fire the coach, do we change the plan? Will we need a different plan for every coach? Will we be in the hands of Salom caprices?

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NotaPublicado: Vie 25 Abr, 14:38 
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I've been trying to monitor some of the Dutch press to read Koeman's take on his termination. It really is a bit of a shame that player's like Joaquin and Vicente have spoken so critically of Koeman. Sure, Koeman's situation was no longer tenable, but to be so negative towards a former coach? Hell, I've worked in a situation where I wasn't treated well by an employer but I still did my job and did as I was told. Seems like these two babies think otherwise, that they should be able to do what they please first and not act professionally. They apparently didn't learn anything from Koeman. If they're so interested in learning, maybe they should go back to school and get an education - they're paid to kick a football around, not do calculus .confundido . I think there is probably a sizable contingent of at least 5 or more Valencia players that spell professional thusly: 'Prof€$$iona£'.

Anyway, allegedly 5 clubs plus a national association have contacted Koeman about employing the Dutchman. Surely they must know that Koeman's undoing wasn't entirely his fault, but they must also realize that he didn't help matters either.
http://www.nusport.nl/20080425/spanje/v ... len-koeman

I also read somewhere that allegedly if he stayed at PSV and won the Eredivisie this season, he would most likely would have been offered the job to Coach Holland. Talk about making the wrong choice? Only in Valencia can your dreams be shattered or put on hold.

Also, Koeman states in the below article that he wish he had a better 'keeper while at Valencia - bad 'keeping was part of his downfall apparently. Hence the earlier interest in Gomes. Timo has been alright, he's made some bone-headed mistakes, but I'm not sure the difference between him and Gomes is that big. Gomes is better and not prone to as many gaffes, but to pay 10 million or so for Gomes when Valencia doesn't have much money (thank you Ruiz for your mostly stupid spending) would be difficult to justify.
http://www.depers.nl/entertainment/1957 ... nodig.html

And lastly, despite the chaos of threatened relegation and Koeman's termination, van der Vaart still thinks Valencia is a 'mooie club', that is a beautiful club, actually he says 'very beautiful club'. Strange that this was published only a day or so after Koeman was fired. Not sure Valencia has the cash to go after him - this is his last season at HSV, make no mistake. He has been playing terribly for the last month, so maybe it is a way to get his transfer fee lowered. :D
http://www.nusport.nl/20080423/duitslan ... eds-zitten

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Koeman has NEVER been good with persons.
When Helsingborg was drawn against PSV for the UEFA cup then some fans had an interview with a PSV-fan and he only talked bad about Koeman and saying that this downfall with Valencia was no suprise at all for him. Koeman may won titles but he never ever was liked at either club, I think it's totally ridiculous to even try to defend him. You can't excuse some guy for making a team only win 4 games out of 21 or whatever it was, not even Levante was that bad and they don't get any money ffs!

I was against him from the beginning and I hope his name is banned in the city...
Now let's all trust in Voro and after that have faith in Marcelino who seems to be a fantastic coach a la Benitez!


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Koeman has NEVER been good with persons.
When Helsingborg was drawn against PSV for the UEFA cup then some fans had an interview with a PSV-fan and he only talked bad about Koeman and saying that this downfall with Valencia was no suprise at all for him. Koeman may won titles but he never ever was liked at either club, I think it's totally ridiculous to even try to defend him. You can't excuse some guy for making a team only win 4 games out of 21 or whatever it was, not even Levante was that bad and they don't get any money ffs!

I was against him from the beginning and I hope his name is banned in the city...
Now let's all trust in Voro and after that have faith in Marcelino who seems to be a fantastic coach a la Benitez!


Well, what I kind of can defend of Koeman is some of the ideas he brought with him. I liked some of the tactical things he did, that is play Mata, move Arizmendi away from the centre of the pitch, push Silva into midfield and some of the formations he played and that he wanted a more professional commitment from players. However, the things I didn't like that he was inflexible and that he was much too hard of a disciplinarian. That type of coaching style in terms of being a total hard ass worked better in the pre-bosman world of football, maybe 30 years ago, but it doesn't work now. So yeah, I can defend some of his ideas, sure, but it's hard to defend how he went about trying to implement them. So I don't think it's ridiculous to defend some aspect of what he brought, but yes, to defend him completely would be slightly insane.

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I'm Koeman fan. I agree with Hoser he brought some interesting ideas but maybe he had not enough tact to impose that ideas to players or to motivate them properly. What made me piss off is the fact that players earning some €millions/year need a special motivation to play. It is supposed that we're signing professional players but when it came down to it, they are professionals once in a while. I can't understand yet how Valencia had two different teams in this season, one in Copa and the other one, very different, in Liga. The only explanation I can find is that players were not doing their best.

Sadly we are not going to see Koeman take the team from the beginning of the season and with the total support from Soler. It would have been great.


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I'm Koeman fan. I agree with Hoser he brought some interesting ideas but maybe he had not enough tact to impose that ideas to players or to motivate them properly. What made me piss off is the fact that players earning some €millions/year need a special motivation to play. It is supposed that we're signing professional players but when it came down to it, they are professionals once in a while. I can't understand yet how Valencia had two different teams in this season, one in Copa and the other one, very different, in Liga. The only explanation I can find is that players were not doing their best.

Sadly we are not going to see Koeman take the team from the beginning of the season and with the total support from Soler. It would have been great.



No,it wouldn't .I don't want to see Valencia in Segunda and with Koeman this is the only thing that can happen to Valencia.Luckily he is far away from Valencia.

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